Legislature(1999 - 2000)

03/03/1999 03:20 PM House L&C

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HB 79 - UNIFORM COMMERCIAL CODE:LETTERS OF CREDIT                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0005                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG announced the committee's next order of business                                                              
would be HB 79, "An Act relating to letters of credit under the                                                                 
Uniform Commercial Code; and providing for an effective date."  He                                                              
stated the committee would continue the public hearing.  He invited                                                             
Jerry Weaver forward.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
JERRY WEAVER, Senior Vice President and Manager of Commercial                                                                   
Lending, National Bank of Alaska (NBA); Secretary-Treasurer, Alaska                                                             
Bankers Association, came forward testify in strong support of HB
79 on behalf of both organizations.  He indicated Mr. Art Peterson,                                                             
Alaska Uniform Law Commissioner, is much more knowledgeable                                                                     
regarding the Uniform Commercial Code (UCC).  Mr. Weaver indicated                                                              
the legislation is part of the regular UCC revisions which is an                                                                
ongoing process of the full commercial and consumer code through                                                                
the National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws                                                                  
(NCCUSL), as Mr. Peterson will testify.  These revisions and this                                                               
legislation affects a rather arcane group of letters of credit, a                                                               
small area of commercial law.  Mr. Weaver noted there is another                                                                
well-known version called the "stand-by letter of credit."  The                                                                 
negotiable letters of credit primarily affect international trade.                                                              
Mr. Weaver indicated these negotiable letters of credit are                                                                     
guarantees, usually by banks to banks or large commercial companies                                                             
with rated credits.  These institutions can substitute their credit                                                             
for a small firm either unknown in the international market or                                                                  
without the credit rating necessary to carry out the transaction.                                                               
These letters of credit are typically issued by banks, usually                                                                  
through their international banking departments; the process is                                                                 
done bank to bank.  In Alaska, a letter of credit is needed in any                                                              
of the export and many of the import (indisc.) to guarantee that                                                                
payment will be forthcoming and to ensure that supplier's details                                                               
are met.  Mr. Weaver said his knowledge concerns the practical                                                                  
side; he does not deal with the close technical parts but he                                                                    
indicated NBA has personnel who do.  Mr. Weaver mentioned several                                                               
other banks had reviewed the legislation in detail and approved it.                                                             
He indicated the bill has been worked on for an extended period of                                                              
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0118                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WEAVER gave the example of shipping lumber from Southeast                                                                   
Alaska to a large firm in Tokyo, Japan, that wishes to buy this                                                                 
lumber but ensure it receives exactly what it buys by grade,                                                                    
quantity, et cetera, and ensure that the lumber is on the ship.                                                                 
The firm goes to its bank - in this example the Industrial Bank of                                                              
Japan, Limited - to have the bank issue a letter of credit.  While                                                              
the Japanese firm may or may not be known to the Southeast Alaska                                                               
timber supplier, the Industrial Bank of Japan, issuing a letter to                                                              
NBA, certainly is known because it is rated.  What this credit                                                                  
rating immediately says to the Southeast firm is that if it                                                                     
delivers the lumber, it will be paid.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0163                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WEAVER noted the letter of credit will primarily deal in                                                                    
documents.  The bankers will never see the timber but they will see                                                             
the documents stating it is there.  The letter of credit and this                                                               
legislation speak about some of the documents that might or might                                                               
not be included:  1) a bill of lading showing the lumber got on the                                                             
ship, the shipping documents, an individual authorization issued by                                                             
the shipping company.  He indicated these were the documents that                                                               
allow one to get the lumber off the ship when it reaches Japan as                                                               
well.  2) Some form of grading and rating of the lumber by an                                                                   
authority independent of the transaction that states it put so many                                                             
thousand board feet of such and such grade and type on that ship.                                                               
3) Some insurance documents in case of loss at sea.  The letter of                                                              
credit issued by the Industrial Bank of Japan would say that if                                                                 
those documents are sent and are in proper order, it will pay on                                                                
those documents.  At this point the ship is underway and the                                                                    
buyer's bank would extend credit to the buyer for some short period                                                             
of time through whatever credit lines, et cetera, that had been set                                                             
up.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 0220                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WEAVER referred to some discussion at the previous hearing                                                                  
regarding time delays.  He noted "float" and similar things were                                                                
not issues because money had not been exchanged in this                                                                         
transaction; they are simply speaking of guarantees.  Mr. Weaver                                                                
commented the other side is time for delays.  In a large commercial                                                             
project such as this, there will typically be minor discrepancies                                                               
in the contract.  "'Gee, we don't have as much hemlock as these                                                                 
guys want, is it okay if we send them spruce?'"  The bank needs                                                                 
time to wire the other bank and ask whether a substitution is                                                                   
acceptable.  Another issue could be a dramatic price change in the                                                              
commodity with the seller requesting a possible small change in                                                                 
price.  Those wires go back and forth between the two banks'                                                                    
international banking departments, they agree on firm detail, and                                                               
then the transaction is concluded.  The material is on its way, the                                                             
letter of credit is presented for payment, that bank wires funds to                                                             
the seller's bank who in turn credits its customer.  Mr. Weaver                                                                 
indicated that described the practical workings of these letters of                                                             
credit.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG stated he thinks Mr. Weaver's description helps                                                               
explain the practical application of the legislation on a                                                                       
fundamental basis.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0282                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI agreed Mr. Weaver's description was  very                                                              
well-put.  She commented that NBA issued the letter of credit for                                                               
a fee.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. WEAVER agreed that is correct when NBA is issuing one.  In his                                                              
example, the Industrial Bank of Japan, as the issuer, would receive                                                             
the initial fee.  There would be also be some small fees on the                                                                 
other bank's side assessed for handling.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI said she asked because she noticed                                                                     
consideration is not required in the legislation.  She questioned                                                               
why this requirement had been deleted, noting she had always                                                                    
assumed fees were a part of letters of credit.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 0317                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. WEAVER answered that cases where fees were not drawn had come                                                               
up somewhere in the revision.  He indicated sometimes the size of                                                               
the parties involved might determine this, commenting that a                                                                    
company like Exxon Corporation could probably negotiate its way out                                                             
of a fee.  This allows that room.  Mr. Weaver indicated HB 79 is                                                                
simply the revision of a 30-year old law that works very, very                                                                  
well.  This somewhat arcane thing affects about 5 percent of the                                                                
banking business and, for the most part, the UCC revisions are just                                                             
refinements.  The UCC commissioners asked the bankers worldwide                                                                 
who deal in these for suggestions.  He confirmed to Representative                                                              
Murkowski, however, that in most cases there is a fee.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HALCRO referred to the initial bill hearing on                                                                   
February 26, 1999, and asked if the seven day time period for                                                                   
denial is adequate for letters of credit.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. WEAVER responded he doesn't deal with letters of credit daily,                                                              
but the international bankers and specialists present last week say                                                             
it is adequate.  He noted NBA has numerous customers in Alaska that                                                             
use this as a vehicle and it seems to work well.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 0440                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
ART PETERSON, Alaska Uniform Law Commissioner, National Conference                                                              
of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws, came forward to testify.                                                                
Mr. Peterson stated he was an attorney in private practice with the                                                             
law firm Dillon and Findley, P.C., in Juneau, and was present in                                                                
his capacity as a uniform law commissioner for the state.  He                                                                   
commented on Mr. Weaver's excellent capsule description of how                                                                  
letters of credit are used.  Noting it has been 40 years since this                                                             
was originally drafted, Mr. Peterson commented a number of issues                                                               
have arisen since then and a number of technologic developments                                                                 
have occurred.  The legislation is mainly aimed at:  1) addressing                                                              
and solving issues that have arisen, and avoiding litigation; 2)                                                                
recognizing the existence of computers.  He exhorted the committee                                                              
to also keep in mind that although letters of credit may be a small                                                             
part of this entire commercial area, it is a $200 billion a year                                                                
industry.  Half of exports from the United States are financed by                                                               
letters of credit.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Number 0525                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PETERSON stated the UCC, including Article 5, has been adopted                                                              
in all 50 states, the District of Columbia, Guam, Puerto Rico, et                                                               
cetera.  It serves as something of an international model; in                                                                   
practice it somewhat governs many transactions.  A corresponding                                                                
body of material has developed in the area of letters of credit,                                                                
the Uniform Customs and Practices for Documentary Credits (UCP 500)                                                             
promulgated by the International Chamber of Commerce.  Mr. Peterson                                                             
indicated in response to the chairman's question that the uniform                                                               
law had been revised from the previous year.  Mr. Peterson stated                                                               
approximately 30 states had enacted this, including Illinois and                                                                
California, two of the major financial centers.  He explained New                                                               
York usually lags a year or so behind on UCC enactments and                                                                     
revisions because of an elaborate procedure with the bar.  For the                                                              
chairman, Mr. Peterson said that Washington, Idaho, California,                                                                 
Hawaii, et cetera, have already adopted this.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. PETERSON indicated this legislation recognizes the UCP 500 and                                                              
also specifically recognizes international customs and practices                                                                
that have developed over the years outside of that formal material.                                                             
The bill recognizes that various entities involved in letters of                                                                
credit are in positions to negotiate to avoid fees.  He has not                                                                 
heard anything to suggest the lack of consideration would be a                                                                  
problem.  Mr. Peterson offered to make the formal published UCC                                                                 
revision with the official commentary by the NCCUSL available to                                                                
the committee.  Mr. Peterson indicated the revisions anticipate a                                                               
number of problems, solve a number of old issues and generally                                                                  
update the approximately 40-year old law; it is necessary for                                                                   
Alaska to keep up-to-date.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0760                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked for an citation within the bill which could                                                             
be used as an example of a needed update.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. PETERSON referred to the UCP 500.  The use of computers has                                                                 
been recognized in those customs and practices.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked if those were being adopted by reference or                                                             
if the concepts were basically embodied.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. PETERSON replied it was essentially adopting by reference.  The                                                             
material he provided to the committee notes that UCC Article 5                                                                  
recognizes the UCP 500, which is used in most international letters                                                             
of credit, providing operational rules and standards that have                                                                  
international acceptance.  They could not have that international                                                               
acceptance unless they were recognizing modern practices and                                                                    
technology.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG asked if the UCP 500 was periodically revised via                                                             
additions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PETERSON indicated it might be contained in the commentary from                                                             
the NCCUSL, but said he hadn't reviewed that material in a long                                                                 
time.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 0863                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG referred to the "Northern Lights case et al,"                                                                 
stating adopting things by reference becomes problematic in Alaska                                                              
statutory construction.  He asked Mr. Peterson for further                                                                      
information regarding that question.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. PETERSON said wording to the effect of "is hereby adopted by                                                                
reference" now had to be used.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG noted, "The problem is we have a supreme court                                                                
case (indisc.) the UBC (ph) as it relates to adoption by                                                                        
reference."  Chairman Rokeberg commented he thought one way to get                                                              
around that was adoption by reference of a dated addition because                                                               
that, therefore, is then revised.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0914                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PETERSON stated that has long been the rule in the regulations.                                                             
Any adoption in the regulations had to be by specific edition with                                                              
the adopting agency named, and, at least in the footnote,                                                                       
information provided on where it can be obtained.  The statutes                                                                 
have been somewhat looser.  When the state had an income tax, it                                                                
adopted the federal income tax by reference.  However, every time                                                               
the federal law was amended it did not have to be updated in the                                                                
Alaska Statutes.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG referred to the "OSG case" [State of Alaska v.                                                                
OSG Bulk Ships, Inc.] the previous year which was about adopting                                                                
parts of the United States tax code.  The chairman noted there is                                                               
a lot of precedent in the statutes to withhold that; it is an issue                                                             
that would probably come up in the House Judiciary Standing                                                                     
Committee.  The chairman referred to the sectional analysis, page                                                               
9, of Section 18, Sec. 45.05.116(c), [Theresa Bannister,                                                                        
Legislative Counsel, 2/17/99].  This portion of the sectional                                                                   
analysis reads:                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     "AS 45.05.116(c).  States that, except as provided                                                                         
     otherwise in this subsection, the liability of certain                                                                     
     listed persons is governed by rules of custom or practice                                                                  
     that the parties expressly select for the letter of                                                                        
     credit or confirmation, or undertaking.  Gives as an                                                                       
     example the Uniform Customs and Practices for Documentary                                                                  
     Credits.  States that if both this chapter and the rules                                                                   
     of custom or practice apply to the liability, the rules                                                                    
     govern, unless they conflict with a provision of this                                                                      
     chapter that cannot be changed (see AS 45.05.103(c))."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG commented it appears there would be an agreement                                                              
within the credit documents to be bound by those, unless overcome                                                               
by superior statutory right.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PETERSON agreed, noting the default position is stated and the                                                              
parties can overcome that by their agreement.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Number 1055                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI referred to the mention of standard                                                                    
practice in Section 10, page 7, indicating she did not see how                                                                  
standard practice was incorporated into the text of the statute                                                                 
because subsection (e) says that it will be determined by court.                                                                
She questioned how one knows what the standard of practice is,                                                                  
wondering whether it was possibly the UCP 500 - a separate document                                                             
known within the industry.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PETERSON said, "I've never seen it myself, but it is a                                                                      
substantial body of material."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI commented, "But it is something that                                                                   
someone can refer to -- look at it and say, 'Ah, that's what it                                                                 
is.'"  She confirmed Mr. Peterson agreed.  Representative Murkowski                                                             
asked if this legislation is the same language received from the                                                                
"National Commission on Uniform Code" or if it was adapted for                                                                  
Alaska.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1140                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PETERSON said it adheres very closely to the official version,                                                              
with minor stylistic changes made by the Legislative Affairs                                                                    
Agency, and there should not be any substantive change.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI noted she had some technical questions                                                                 
-like could one waive being an adviser? - she felt comfortable not                                                              
addressing if Mr. Peterson could assure her that Alaska's law would                                                             
be consistent with the recommendations of the national                                                                          
commissioners and what had been accepted in 38 other states.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. PETERSON assured her this was correct.  He did not know what                                                                
changes other states might have made, but he is not aware of any                                                                
particular issue causing some states to opt in one direction and                                                                
other states to opt differently.  In some uniform acts produced by                                                              
the national conference a provision a state could accept or reject                                                              
is placed in brackets.  Mr. Peterson did not offhand recall any                                                                 
such options, especially any of major importance, in this.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 1288                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG suggested Representative Murkowski contact Mr.                                                                
Peterson for the answers she desired before the legislation is                                                                  
heard in the House Judiciary Committee.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HALCRO asked for clarification on page 2, lines 20                                                               
through 22, "... the applicant may recover damages resulting from                                                               
the breach, including incidental but not consequential damages,                                                                 
less any amount saved as a result of the breach."                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 1357                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. PETERSON replied they were speaking of a dollar amount                                                                      
transaction.  In the example of lumber sold to a Japanese buyer who                                                             
had the bank issue the letter of credit, if that applicant had                                                                  
planned to sell the lumber to another party but lost the benefit of                                                             
that contract, that would be consequential damages and are avoided                                                              
by this provision.  Incidental damages might be the applicant's                                                                 
expenses involved in shipping the product over there; those would                                                               
be incidental to the basic transaction and it could collect that                                                                
somehow if the deal went wrong.  Thirdly, he addressed the                                                                      
language, "less any amount saved as a result of the breach".  If,                                                               
for example, the price has gone wrong and therefore the applicant                                                               
has saved money by the failure of this contract, or hasn't lost the                                                             
full dollar value of the original contract, that would be                                                                       
subtracted from any damages the applicant could recover.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG noted this could be currency fluctuations and he                                                              
would also suspect it to be a duty of mitigation.  He asked if                                                                  
there isn't normally a duty to mitigate.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. PETERSON said that assuming there is the possibility to                                                                     
mitigate or one makes reasonable efforts.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG said, "Right, and (indisc.) brokering or the cost                                                             
of securing a new buyer (indisc.) product.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PETERSON answered probably.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 1490                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI noted she thought there was no duty to                                                                 
mitigate, but if you did then you could...                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. PETERSON note he did not remember the no duty to mitigate                                                                   
provision, questioning if it is in the same section, Sec.                                                                       
45.05.111.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG commented he thought there would be a duty to                                                                 
mitigate.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 1530                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI noted Section 13, lines 12 through 16,                                                                 
which read:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Sec. 45.05.111. Remedies. (a) ... The claimant is not                                                                      
     obligated to take action to avoid damages that might be                                                                    
     due from the issuer under this subsection.  If, although                                                                   
     not obligated to do so, the claimant avoids damages, the                                                                   
     claimant's recovery from the issuer is reduced by the                                                                      
     amount of damages avoided.  The issuer has the burden of                                                                   
     proving the amount of damages avoided. ...                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. PETERSON stated he believed there is discussion of that                                                                     
provision in the official commentary he has provided.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Number 1598                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIRMAN ROKEBERG indicated the legislation had had a thorough                                                                  
hearing the previous session.  Chairman Rokeberg confirmed there                                                                
were no further questions for Mr. Peterson.  He asked Mr. Peterson                                                              
to give the chairman's regards to Mr. Kurtz, and thanked them both                                                              
for their work on behalf of the state as uniform law commissioners.                                                             
Confirming no one else wished to testify, he stated the public                                                                  
hearing on HB 79 is closed.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 1715                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HALCRO made a motion to move HB 79 out of committee                                                              
with the attached zero fiscal note and individual recommendations.                                                              
There being no objection, HB 79 moved out of the House Labor and                                                                
Commerce Standing Committee.                                                                                                    

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